Specialist group tours — guide

How to organise a choir tour of Britain and Ireland

A practical guide for the person who has been handed the job: what to book, in what order, and how far ahead.
Written for choir secretaries and music directors · Cashel Travel
Start planning12 to 18 months out
Typical tour length6 to 10 days
Usual group size25 to 60 singers
Countries coveredScotland, England, Wales, Ireland

Who this guide is for

You sing in a choir, or you direct one, and somebody has decided the choir should tour Britain or Ireland. Then somebody decided you were the person to organise it. You are probably the secretary, the treasurer or the director of music, and you have never put a tour together before.

This guide is written for you rather than for a travel agent. It covers what actually has to be booked, the order to do it in, and the questions people will ask you at the next rehearsal. It applies whether you are a parish choir of twenty, a university chamber choir, a community choral society or a school choir travelling with parents.

It assumes a singing tour rather than a sightseeing trip with one concert bolted on. The difference matters. A singing tour is planned around the venues and the service times, and everything else fits around those.

The venues set the dates. Everything else, the coach, the hotels, the free afternoons, is arranged around them.

The timeline, 12 to 18 months out to departure

Cathedrals and larger churches work a long way ahead, and the summer weeks that choirs want are the weeks that go first. If you are hoping for a residency in a well known cathedral in July or August, eighteen months is not early. Twelve months is workable for most other things.

18 to 12 months before

Agree the shape of the tour

Decide the country, the rough dates, how many nights, and what the choir wants to sing. Get a decision in principle from your committee on budget and on how the tour will be paid for. Nothing else can be booked until this exists.

15 to 12 months before

Approach the venues

Write to the cathedrals, churches and halls you want. Ask about availability, what they need from you, and whether they charge. Expect a slow reply, and expect to be flexible on dates. A tour is usually confirmed by the first venue that says yes.

12 to 9 months before

Hold the accommodation and the coach

Once one or two venues are fixed, put a hold on hotels and on the coach. Group rooms in city centres in the summer are the second thing to disappear after the venues.

9 to 6 months before

Confirm numbers and take deposits

Ask singers to commit in writing and pay a deposit. Numbers always move, so build in a little slack and agree with your committee what happens if someone drops out.

6 to 3 months before

Paperwork, repertoire and rehearsals

Submit service music lists, agree rehearsal times in the venues, sort insurance, and start visas if you are travelling from outside the UK or Ireland. Rehearse the tour programme as a programme, not as separate pieces.

3 months to departure

Final details

Final payments, rooming lists, dietary requirements, robes and how they travel, music copies, a printed running order for every singer, and a single sheet with emergency contacts.

Choosing venues: cathedrals, churches and concert halls

There are three broad kinds of venue and they behave very differently.

Cathedrals

Most cathedrals in Britain and Ireland welcome visiting choirs, usually to sing the daily services while the resident choir is away. This is why the summer holidays and the weeks around Easter and Christmas are the busiest periods. Approaches go to the cathedral office or to the director of music, and the process is formal: they will want to know your size, your voice parts, your standard, who is directing, and what you propose to sing. Lead times are long and the answer often depends on a rota agreed a year or more in advance. Some cathedrals make no charge for a visiting choir, some ask for a contribution towards costs, and some will offer a retiring collection. Ask early and get it in writing.

Parish churches and abbeys

Smaller churches are more flexible and much quicker to answer, and they are often the warmest audiences on the tour. Bookings usually go through the incumbent or the churchwardens. Practical questions matter more here: is there an organ and is it in tune, is there room for your numbers in the chancel, is there anywhere to robe, and is there parking for a coach nearby. Many will ask for a share of the collection rather than a fee.

Concert halls and secular venues

Halls are a commercial booking with a hire fee, a technical rider and a contract. They make sense if you are selling tickets, promoting the concert yourself, or performing with an orchestra or a local choir. They are the most expensive option and the one that most needs local promotion to fill, so most touring choirs use one hall at most and sing everything else in churches.

A good tour usually mixes venue types: a cathedral residency for the singing, a parish church for the atmosphere, and one larger concert if the choir wants an occasion.

Repertoire and performance permissions

Two separate things get confused here. The first is what the venue will allow. If you are singing services, the cathedral or church will normally set or approve the music, and there may be house conventions on settings, psalms and responses. Send your proposed lists early and expect to be asked to change something.

The second is copyright. Anything still in copyright needs the right performing and copying permissions, and the responsibility usually sits with the promoter of the concert rather than with the choir. Where you are performing in someone else’s venue, ask them directly who holds the licence and what they need from you. Photocopied music is the most common problem on tour, so plan to travel with legal copies.

Practical repertoire advice from choirs who have done it: keep the touring programme short enough to be secure from memory of the building rather than the page, carry one unaccompanied piece in case the organ is unusable, and have something local ready. A Scottish or Irish piece sung in a Scottish or Irish church will get more from the congregation than anything else on the programme.

Group size, coaches and accommodation

Most touring choirs sit between twenty five and sixty singers, and the number drives everything else. Below about twenty five you can move in minibuses and stay in smaller hotels and guest houses. Above about fifty you are into two coaches or a full size coach, and you need hotels that can take the whole group in one building, which pushes you towards larger properties or slightly out of the city centre.

  • Count your travelling party, not your singing party. Partners, parents, a conductor, an accompanist and any chaperones all need seats and beds.
  • Coaches in Britain and Ireland are subject to driver hours rules. A day with a long drive, an afternoon rehearsal and an evening concert can breach them, so build the driving into the schedule rather than adding it afterwards.
  • Historic city centres are hard for coaches. Check where the coach can actually set down near each venue, and how far the walk is in robes.
  • Ask hotels for a rooming plan in advance. Choirs are usually a mix of twins, singles and a few couples, and sorting it on arrival is the fastest way to lose an evening.
  • Book somewhere the choir can warm up. A function room at the hotel for half an hour before departure is worth more than a better view.

Costs to budget for

Every tour is priced differently, so rather than quote figures that will be wrong for your group, here are the categories to put in your spreadsheet. Price each one for your actual dates and numbers before you tell the choir what the tour will cost.

Travel to and from the UK or Ireland

Flights or ferries, plus baggage for robes, music and any instruments.

Ground transport

Coach hire for the whole tour, driver accommodation where required, parking and any city access charges.

Accommodation

Rooms on the basis you have agreed, plus any single supplements and the rooms for staff and chaperones.

Meals

Breakfasts, group dinners, and a realistic allowance for the days when the schedule makes a proper meal impossible.

Venue costs

Hire fees or contributions, organist fees, tuning, stewarding, and any technical charges in a hall.

Music and licences

Purchase or hire of scores, and any performing or copying licences you are responsible for.

Promotion

Posters, programmes and local publicity for any concert where you are selling or collecting.

Insurance and contingency

Group travel insurance, and a contingency line of a sensible percentage for the things that always happen.

Two lines choirs forget. The first is the cost of carrying people who cannot pay, if your choir subsidises members. The second is the exchange rate, if you are raising money in one currency and spending it in another over a year.

Paperwork

Visas for groups travelling from the United States and elsewhere

Requirements change, so check the current position on the official UK and Irish government sites well before you book flights. For most short visits by US citizens no visa is needed, but there are electronic travel authorisations to obtain in advance and they are applied for individually by each traveller, not by you in bulk. Britain and Ireland are separate jurisdictions with separate rules, so a tour that crosses between them needs both checked. Give the choir a deadline for producing passport details and completed authorisations, and make it earlier than you think you need.

Insurance

Group travel insurance should cover medical cover abroad, cancellation, and instruments and equipment. Read what it says about a member dropping out for medical reasons, because that is the claim choirs actually make. If you are performing in public, ask whether your choir’s own public liability cover extends to overseas performances, and whether the venue requires evidence of it.

Risk assessments for youth choirs

If anyone in the party is under eighteen, you will need a written risk assessment, a stated supervision ratio, parental consent and medical forms, and safeguarding arrangements that satisfy your school, diocese or trust. Venues and accommodation may ask to see your policy. Agree who is the responsible adult on each day, in writing, before you travel, and check whether the organisation you sing for requires background checks for the accompanying adults.

What a DMC does, and what you can do yourself

Plenty of choirs organise their own tours and do it well. It is worth being honest about which parts are straightforward and which parts take up your evenings for a year.

Part of the tourDoing it yourselfWith a DMC
Approaching venues Straightforward if you already have a contact. Slow and easy to get lost if you do not. Approaches go through an existing relationship, and the DMC knows which venues take visiting choirs and when.
Hotels and coaches Possible, but group rates and holds are hard to get as a one off booker. Contracted rates, held space, and one contract instead of ten.
The daily schedule The part that most often goes wrong, because driving time and rehearsal time are underestimated. Built by people who know how long the journeys actually take.
Money You carry the deposits, the cancellations and the currency risk. One invoice, agreed payment stages and defined cancellation terms.
On the road You are the person the coach driver, the hotel and the verger all ring. A local contact handles it so you can be the choir secretary again.

A sensible middle path is common. Many choirs keep the musical side entirely to themselves, the venue relationships and the repertoire, and hand over transport, accommodation and the day to day running of the tour.

Why choirs work with Cashel Travel

Cashel Travel is a destination management company for the United Kingdom and Ireland, based in Edinburgh, specialising in incentive and group travel.

  • We arrange ground programmes across Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland, so a tour that crosses borders is handled by one team.
  • We work with groups as our core business rather than as an occasional extra, which is what coaches, rooming lists and long schedules require.
  • We are based in the destination, so the people building your itinerary know the journeys, the venues and the parking.

Questions choirs ask

How far ahead should we start planning a choir tour?

Between twelve and eighteen months. Cathedral residencies in the summer holidays are allocated furthest ahead, so if that is what you want, work to eighteen months. A tour built around parish churches can come together in twelve.

Do cathedrals charge visiting choirs to sing?

It varies. Some make no charge, some ask for a contribution towards costs such as the verger or the organist, and some offer a retiring collection. There is no standard, so ask each venue directly at the point of enquiry and get the answer in writing before you budget.

How many singers do we need for a tour to work?

Most touring choirs are between twenty five and sixty. Smaller groups tour perfectly well and are easier to move and accommodate. What matters more than the total is balance across the parts, because losing two of your four tenors changes the programme.

Can we tour Britain and Ireland in the same trip?

Yes, and choirs often do, but treat them as two countries. There is a border crossing, separate entry rules, separate currencies, and travel time between them by air or ferry. Plan a full travel day rather than trying to sing at both ends of it.

What do we need in place for a youth choir?

A written risk assessment, an agreed supervision ratio, parental consent and medical forms, safeguarding arrangements accepted by your school, diocese or trust, and travel insurance that covers under eighteens. Venues and hotels may ask to see your policy, so have it ready.

Should we use a tour operator or organise it ourselves?

Many choirs keep the musical side, the venues and the repertoire, and hand over transport, accommodation and the running order. That combination gives you control of the singing and takes the logistics, the contracts and the on the road problems off the secretary.

Tell us about your choir

Send us your dates, your numbers and the places you would like to sing. We will tell you what is realistic for those dates and put a draft itinerary together.